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Old 02-17-2005, 05:46 PM
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Question Cutelaria Medieval

... Bem. O Topico diz tudo :P
sobre cutelaria medieval, eu tenho certas curiosidades pois,
hoje em dia vemos ai, Limas, Lixas e Furadeiras... mtas coisas
que naquela epoca ainda nao era possivel utilizar,
sendo assim a minha pergunta ?

Alguem sabe como eram feitas as Facas e Adagas Medievais ?
levando em considera??o que algumas tambem tinham furos perfeitos
pinos e cabos de madeira... =\~
se alguem puder ate demonstrar em um tutorial ou algo assim
como eram feitas de modo MEDIEVAL ficaria extremamente
agradecido ~

acho que ? soh.


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Old 02-17-2005, 08:59 PM
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Bom, a grosso modo, o ferreiro/armeiro tinha de fazer praticamente tudo, inclusive algumas ferramentas...
Furos em a?o eram feitos a quente, c/ pun??es...
Cabos de madeira n?o eram fixados como hoje, c/ pinos colados ou rebitados ao a?o da l?mina... E furadeiras manuais j? existiam, na figura do arco-de-pua.

Limas tamb?m j? existiam, lixas talvez n?o existissem, mas pedras abrasivas e esmeris primitivos j? existiam.

A coisa n?o era t?o diferente assim, s? que se demorava muito mais tempo em acabamento.
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Creio q a maioria das laminas n?o tinha um bom acabamento naquela ?poca, apenas laminas especiais eram polidas e bem tratadas!!!


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Old 02-18-2005, 12:51 AM
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They had tools

From what I have read some cultures used shark skin as sand paper. Swords were ground using stone wheels. Large shops used water for power. German bladesmiths were not allowed to leave their country or were guilty of a crime for sharing secrets. This did not stop some from moving to England. It is interesting to compare swords from different parts of Europe as some ground their fullers and some were forged as evidenced by the damascus patterns. A fine finish can be obtained on wood grips by scraping. Before the invention of modern sand paper this is how it was often done. Try it you will see. You can use glass or a thin piece of steel that when ground raises a slight bur on one side. The bur will scrape well. Today this is used to finish fine furniture that is custom made. If you get a new hammer with that clear finsh it will blister your hand from use. I hold a small knife blade at an angle an sprape it off for a better grip. This is the same principle. This scraping process was even used to finish gun powder horns used with flintlock rifles that were used in the US in the 1700's. When finised you burnish. On swords the grip was fixed by peening the tang that stuck through the end of the pommel. I have even seen a picture of a water powered hammer that used a rock for the head. To polish steel they used different rocks. Some rocks can be ground very fine easily and a paste or slurry made. One way to apply is to use a leather or cloth. They made files and rasps. The japanese used a sen like a draw knife to remove steel from an unfinished blade. Maybe similar techniques were used in other parts of the world?

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Old 02-18-2005, 07:10 AM
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Pardal, todos a? em cima falaram exatamente o q eu gostaria de dizer.

Se analisarmos, os processos antigos n?o foram significativamente modificados. Eu s? acrescentaria o fato de que hoje existe uma grande ind?stria sider?rgica que joga no mercado milhares de toneladas de a?o (sendo antes da revolu??o industrial, o a?o era feito de maneira artesanal) e tamb?m a energia das ferramentas, que hoje tudo ? movido a eletricidade.

Antigamente, ao inv?s das lixadeiras, pedras tocadas ? pedal e raspadeiras. Ao inv?s das ventoinhas para a forja, o velho fole.
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Old 02-21-2005, 02:45 PM
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Caro pardal, todos acima est?o com raz?o,mas se vc quizer maiores detalhes inclusive com figuras, visite o site: www.forjamedieval.hpg.com.br l? vc encontrar? uma informa??o mais especifica sobre cutelaria medieval e poder? fazer perguntas atraves do e-mail. Quanto ao acabamento, em algumas pe?as era t?o exepcional que quase n?o acreditamos que foi construido naquela ?poca. com um detalhe: o servi?o demorava muito mais do que se gasta hoje. vou citar um exemplo que surpreendeu alguns cientistas e especialistas no assunto: A espada pessoal do Rei Edward III, construida aproximadamente no ano de 1348

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